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February 19, 2008 – Brussels, BE
Live performance by The Smashing Pumpkins
Europe 2008 tour
Date	February 19, 2008
Venue	Vorst Nationaal
Coordinates	50°48′35″N 4°19′34″E
Location	Brussels, BE
Venue type	Arena
Capacity	7,000
Personnel	Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlin, Jeff Schroeder, Ginger Pooley, Lisa Harriton
Order of bands	Tim Vanhamel, The Smashing Pumpkins
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Setlist

Notes

"Perfect", "1979", and "That's the Way (My Love Is)" performed acoustic

Banter

Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
> Behold! The Night Mare
> Bring the Light
(Lisa (accidentally?) plays one synthesizer note for 5 seconds)
Lisa: Just checkin’ to see if you’re awake.
Tonight, Tonight
Mayonaise
Try, Try, Try
> Superchrist
> (Come On) Let’s Go!
Stellar
(BC over opening drums: Good evening, thank you very much! Welcome to our show, we hope you have a good time. That’s it. There’s nothing else.)
BC: Like to introduce Mr. Jimmy Chamberlin. Jimmy Chamberlin. Heh, James Joseph Chamberlin, heh.
Perfect (Billy acoustic w/Jimmy tambourine)
Lily
(BC after “goodbye” at end: And good riddance.)
BC: Thank you very much, thank you. We recently released a uh, recently released an EP of four songs called American Gothic. I can tell by your response that you all ran out and got it immediately. That’s the kind of fans we have. They usually wait about 10 years to decide they like what we put out so...you got about nine years and 10 months to go but you’ll like this song...someday. Exactly. I’m waiting. This is a song called The Rose March.
The Rose March
Today
> Tarantula
> Stand Inside Your Love
> Ava Adore
BC: Alright! That’s the end of the concert, thank you very much. Peace. Peace out. Well, we - I’ve had my problems in Brussels. Heh heh. There was that time I couldn’t sing and everyone booed at me, remember that one? That was a good one. Yeah. Who was there? You were booing, weren’t you? You were booing at me, fuck you, fuck you for booing at me. See? Then they boo again. I’m just kidding, it’s a joke, it’s a joke, hello, it’s a joke. I don’t care that you booed, I’m used to being booed, it’s not a big deal. Sorry about that. For those of you that were at that show, sorry, I’m sure I’ve apologized like seven times now but I’m apologizing again. Sorry about that. Then of course, Jimmy, there was my solo show in Ghent. Yes. My sparsely attended solo show, where I dared - dared to question a member of the audience. Yes. We all know that the audience is always right and the performer is always wrong, I learned that now. I am merely your servant to please you, to entertain you, to make you come, whatever you need, I am here for you. Heh, Sergeant Jeff. Sergeant Jeff will referee all disputes. Who was at that solo show in Ghent? Yeah. Yes. You know, it was a good speech, I thought.
Jeff: Do you remember it?
BC: I said that I would return to Belgium with the Smashing Pumpkins and I have returned with the Smashing Pumpkins. What’s the big deal? It’s not our fault that you eat 23 pounds of chocolate per person a year. It’s not a - it’s not our problem that you think you’re better than the rest of Europe. It’s not our problem that the EU is based out of Belgium, it’s not our problem. Am I right about that? What does this all mean? I don’t know! I don’t know.
Jeff: (off mic) Heh heh, [unintelligible but sounds like “caught in the rain.”]
BC: Heh haha. What does this have to do with rock and roll? - it has everything to do with rock and roll! Okay, heh heh heh. Once again, I’ll get a bad review for freaking out. “He freaked out again in Belgium, he freaked out. He just went crazy. He went insane. He threw his guitar, he punched Jeff...he humiliated Ginger.” Well, that’s a good thing. They like that.
Ginger: (off mic) I know, I do too.
BC: It’s a misogynist type of thing here. Anyway, this is an old song. Like to send this out to all our old fans. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much, god bless everybody here. Thank you.
Drown
> Bullet with Butterfly Wings
1979 (Billy solo acoustic)
That’s the Way (Billy acoustic w/Lisa)
My Blue Heaven (Billy w/Lisa)
The Everlasting Gaze
> Cash Car Star
> Easy Livin’ (2 verses and choruses)
> Foreplay (partial, instrumental)
> For What It’s Worth (verse 1, chorus, verse 4, chorus, BC original spoken verse)
(BC spoken verse: Everyone’s gonna be a big star / Everyone’s gonna know who you are / Even your mother’s gonna love you / When you grow gold / They won’t leave you out in the cold / Heh, invite you in for tea ... Everything’s just getting better and better and brighter and lighter or whiter and pure. Awww, it’s so beautiful. It’s so beautiful. It’s so beautiful! It’s so beautiful!!!!)
> Wasted Years (tease/intro only)
Daydream
> Wound
> United States / Star Spangled Banner
(BC over outro feedback: Thank you.)
[encore break]
Lips Like Sugar
(BC over outro jam: Thank you very much. We are the Smashing Pumpkins. Forever and ever. In your dreams, in your nightmares. In your Care Bears, we’re everywhere.)

Photos and memorabilia

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+| artist = The Smashing Pumpkins
-|type=album
+| date = February 19, 2008
-|original_date=1993-07-28
+| venue = [[w:Vorst Nationaal|Vorst Nationaal]]
-|hour_of_day=15
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+| venue_type = Arena
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+| lineup = Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlin, Jeff Schroeder, Ginger Pooley, Lisa Harriton
+| bands = Tim Vanhamel, The Smashing Pumpkins
+| tour = Europe 2008
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-{{Social media/Instagram|The Siamese Dream artwork was initially going to be created by an outsider artist, but after a series of disagreements with the label, Corgan was forced to step in at the last minute. The album booklet, composed of old photos of strangers and Corgan's family members with lyrics handwritten on top, was assembled by him and his wife the day after their wedding. Corgan was not satisfied with the results. The first pressing of the CD contained a 20-page booklet with a separate page devoted to each song's lyrics and accompanying photograph; later pressings contained a four-panel fold-out liner with thumbnails of each picture. In 1999, Virgin Records reissued the album with the original 20-page booklet.
-Shortly after The Smashing Pumpkins reformed in 2007, Corgan posted a message to their blog saying that they were "looking for girls from Siamese Dream album cover… As you all know they were quite young when the photo was taken. They are not conjoined anymore, as far as we know." In 2011, there was brief confusion, or perhaps in jest, that then-bassist Nicole Fiorentino was one of the girls. This was later confirmed as false and both girls were located in 2008. Ten years later, in promotion of the Shiny and Oh So Bright tour, the two girls reunited for a photo op (pictured) and video op, using a flame thrower to ignite the classic SP heart logo. Corgan thanked them on Instagram, writing "we adore you [Ali and LySandra], and having you be a part of today's launch brings tears to my eyes. For life goes fast, and I can still see you in my mind's eye wearing crisp white dresses in a stranger's backyard, looking like little Mother Mary's, smiling and laughing into the sun."
+== Setlist ==
-Corgan's father, William Corgan Sr, is credited as an illustrator for the 2011 reissue of Siamese Dream.
+=== Soundcheck ===
+# {{live song|Lips Like Sugar|cover=[[w:Echo & the Bunnymen|Echo & the Bunnymen]]|soundcheck=1}}
-- 1st photo: Ali Laenger and LySandra Roberts, reunited in 2018. By Mike Amico
+=== Set ===
-- Other photos selected from the original 20-page liner notes
+# {{live song|Porcelina of the Vast Oceans}}
+## {{live song|Behold! the Night Mare}}
+# {{live song|Bring the Light}}
+# {{live song|Tonight, Tonight}}
+# {{live song|Mayonaise}}
+# {{live song|Try, Try, Try}}
+# {{live song|Superchrist}}
+## {{live song|(Come On) Let's Go!}}
+# {{live song|Stellar}}
+# {{live song|Perfect}}
+# {{live song|Lily (My One and Only)}}
+# {{live song|The Rose March}}
+# {{live song|Today}}
+# {{live song|Tarantula}}
+# {{live song|Stand Inside Your Love}}
+# {{live song|Ava Adore}}
+# {{live song|Drown}}
+## {{live song|Bullet with Butterfly Wings}}
+# {{live song|1979}}
+# {{live song|That's the Way (My Love Is)}}
+# {{live song|My Blue Heaven|cover=[[w:Walter Donaldson|Walter Donaldson]] / [[w:George A. Whiting|George A. Whiting]]}}
+# {{live song|The Everlasting Gaze}}
+# {{live song|Cash Car Star|note=Version 1}}
+## {{live song|Easy Livin'|tease=1|cover=[[w:Uriah Heep (band)|Uriah Heep]]}}
+## {{live song|Foreplay|tease=1|cover=[[w:Boston (band)|Boston]]}}
+## {{live song|For What It's Worth|tease=1|cover=[[w:Buffalo Springfield|Buffalo Springfield]]}}
+## {{live song|Wasted Years|tease=1|cover=[[w:Iron Maiden|Iron Maiden]]}}
+# {{live song|Daydream}}
+# {{live song|Wound}}
+# {{live song|United States}}
+## {{live song|The Star-Spangled Banner|tease=1|cover=[[w:Francis Scott Key|Francis Scott Key]]}}
-<nowiki>https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Siamese_Dream#Artwork_and_packaging</nowiki>
+=== Encore ===
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+# {{live song|Lips Like Sugar|cover=[[w:Echo & the Bunnymen|Echo & the Bunnymen]]}}
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-{{Social media/Facebook|The Siamese Dream artwork was initially going to be created by an outsider artist, but after a series of disagreements with the label, Corgan was forced to step in at the last minute. The album booklet, composed of old photos of strangers and Corgan's family members with lyrics handwritten on top, was assembled by him and his wife the day after their wedding. Corgan was not satisfied with the results. The first pressing of the CD contained a 20-page booklet with a separate page devoted to each song's lyrics and accompanying photograph; later pressings contained a four-panel fold-out liner with thumbnails of each picture. In 1999, Virgin Records reissued the album with the original 20-page booklet.
-Shortly after The Smashing Pumpkins reformed in 2007, Corgan posted a message to their blog saying that they were "looking for girls from Siamese Dream album cover… As you all know they were quite young when the photo was taken. They are not conjoined anymore, as far as we know." In 2011, there was brief confusion, or perhaps in jest, that then-bassist Nicole Fiorentino was one of the girls. This was later confirmed as false and both girls were located in 2008. Ten years later, in promotion of the Shiny and Oh So Bright tour, the two girls reunited for a photo op (pictured) and video op, using a flame thrower to ignite the classic SP heart logo. Corgan thanked them on Instagram, writing "we adore you [Ali and LySandra], and having you be a part of today's launch brings tears to my eyes. For life goes fast, and I can still see you in my mind's eye wearing crisp white dresses in a stranger's backyard, looking like little Mother Mary's, smiling and laughing into the sun."
+=== Notes ===
-Corgan's father, William Corgan Sr, is credited as an illustrator for the 2011 reissue of Siamese Dream.
+* "Perfect", "1979", and "That's the Way (My Love Is)" performed acoustic
+== Banter ==
-Photo: Ali Laenger and LySandra Roberts, reunited in 2018. By Mike Amico
+{{banter|1=
+'''Porcelina of the Vast Oceans'''
+> '''Behold! The Night Mare'''
+> '''Bring the Light'''
+''(Lisa (accidentally?) plays one synthesizer note for 5 seconds)''
+Lisa: Just checkin’ to see if you’re awake.
+'''Tonight, Tonight'''
+'''Mayonaise'''
+'''Try, Try, Try'''
+> '''Superchrist'''
+> '''(Come On) Let’s Go!'''
+'''Stellar'''
+(BC over opening drums: Good evening, thank you very much!  Welcome to our show, we hope you have a good time.  That’s it.  There’s nothing else.)
+BC: Like to introduce Mr. Jimmy Chamberlin.  Jimmy Chamberlin.  Heh, James Joseph Chamberlin, heh.
+'''Perfect''' (Billy acoustic w/Jimmy tambourine)
+'''Lily'''
+(BC after “goodbye” at end: And good riddance.)
+BC: Thank you very much, thank you.  We recently released a uh, recently released an EP of four songs called American Gothic.  I can tell by your response that you all ran out and got it immediately.  That’s the kind of fans we have.  They usually wait about 10 years to decide they like what we put out so...you got about nine years and 10 months to go but you’ll like this song...someday.  Exactly.  I’m waiting.  This is a song called The Rose March.
+'''The Rose March'''
+'''Today'''
+> '''Tarantula'''
+> '''Stand Inside Your Love'''
+> '''Ava Adore'''
+BC: Alright!  That’s the end of the concert, thank you very much.  Peace.  Peace out.  Well, we - I’ve had my problems in Brussels.  Heh heh.  [[The Smashing Pumpkins 2000-01-19|There was that time I couldn’t sing and everyone booed at me]], remember that one?  That was a good one.  Yeah.  Who was there?  You were booing, weren’t you?  You were booing at me, fuck you, fuck you for booing at me.  See?  Then they boo again.  I’m just kidding, it’s a joke, it’s a joke, hello, it’s a joke.  I don’t care that you booed, I’m used to being booed, it’s not a big deal.  Sorry about that.  For those of you that were at that show, sorry, I’m sure I’ve apologized like seven times now but I’m apologizing again.  Sorry about that.  Then of course, Jimmy, [[Billy Corgan 2005-06-08|there was my solo show in Ghent]].  Yes.  My sparsely attended solo show, where I dared - dared to question a member of the audience.  Yes.  We all know that the audience is always right and the performer is always wrong, I learned that now.  I am merely your servant to please you, to entertain you, to make you come, whatever you need, I am here for you.  Heh, Sergeant Jeff.  Sergeant Jeff will referee all disputes.  Who was at that solo show in Ghent?  Yeah.  Yes.  You know, it was a good speech, I thought.
+Jeff: Do you remember it?
+BC: I said that I would return to Belgium with the Smashing Pumpkins and I have returned with the Smashing Pumpkins.  What’s the big deal?  It’s not our fault that you eat 23 pounds of chocolate per person a year.  It’s not a - it’s not our problem that you think you’re better than the rest of Europe.  It’s not our problem that the EU is based out of Belgium, it’s not our problem.  Am I right about that?  What does this all mean?  I don’t know!  I don’t know.
+Jeff: ''(off mic)'' Heh heh, [unintelligible but sounds like “caught in the rain.”]
+BC: Heh haha.  What does this have to do with rock and roll? - it has ''everything'' to do with rock and roll!  Okay, heh heh heh.  Once again, I’ll get a bad review for freaking out.  “He freaked out again in Belgium, he freaked out.  He just went crazy.  He went insane.  He threw his guitar, he punched Jeff...he humiliated Ginger.”  Well, that’s a good thing.  They like that.
+Ginger: ''(off mic)'' I know, I do too.
+BC: It’s a misogynist type of thing here.  Anyway, this is an old song.  Like to send this out to all our old fans.  Yeah.  Yeah.  Thank you very much, god bless everybody here.  Thank you.
+'''Drown'''
+> '''Bullet with Butterfly Wings'''
+'''1979''' (Billy solo acoustic)
+'''That’s the Way''' (Billy acoustic w/Lisa)
+'''My Blue Heaven''' (Billy w/Lisa)
+'''The Everlasting Gaze'''
+> '''Cash Car Star'''
+> '''Easy Livin’''' (2 verses and choruses)
+> '''Foreplay''' (partial, instrumental)
+> '''For What It’s Worth''' (verse 1, chorus, verse 4, chorus, BC original spoken verse)
+(BC spoken verse: Everyone’s gonna be a big star / Everyone’s gonna know who you are / Even your mother’s gonna love you / When you grow gold / They won’t leave you out in the cold / Heh, invite you in for tea  ...  Everything’s just getting better and better and brighter and lighter or whiter and pure.  Awww, it’s so beautiful.  It’s so beautiful.  It’s so beautiful!  It’s so beautiful!!!!)
+> '''Wasted Years''' (tease/intro only)
+'''Daydream'''
+> '''Wound'''
+> '''United States / Star Spangled Banner'''
+(BC over outro feedback: Thank you.)
+[encore break]
+'''Lips Like Sugar'''
+(BC over outro jam: Thank you very much.  We are the Smashing Pumpkins.  Forever and ever.  In your dreams, in your nightmares.  In your [[w:Care Bears|Care Bears]], we’re everywhere.)
+}}
-<nowiki>https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Siamese_Dream#Artwork_and_packaging</nowiki>
+== Photos and memorabilia ==
-|photo1=https://static.miraheze.org/solarawiki/6/63/Ali_and_LySandra_%282018%29.png
+{{live show gallery|
+File:Tsp2008-EUTourShirt1 back.jpg
+File:Tsp2008-EUTourShirt2 back.jpg
 }}
-{{Social media/Twitter}}