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{| border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="margin: 0 0 1em 1em; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%;" align="right" width=280px
| type = song
! bgcolor="#ffe156" colspan="2" | Starchildren
| name = Now (And Then)
|-
| artist = The Smashing Pumpkins
! align="left" | Date
| album = [[TheFutureEmbrace]]
| 1994-06-18
| spotify =  
|-
| lyrics = yes
! align="left" | Venue
| recorded =  
| Double Door
| released = June 21, 2005
|-
| studio = Pumpkinland
! align="left" | Location
| length = 4:43
| Chicago, IL, US
| writer = Billy Corgan
|-
| producer =  
! align="left" | Venue Type
}}
| Club
|-
! align="left" | Capacity
| 473
|-
! align="left" | Lineup
| Corgan, Iha, Chamberlin, Rew
|-
! align="left" | Order of Bands
| The Frogs, Starchildren
|-
! align="left" | Notes
| Set one is Billy guesting with The Frogs during their set. First performance of Here Is No Why. Only known performances of The Boy, Germans in Leather Pants, Delusions of Candor, A Night Like This, Santa Claus is Comin' to Town, Feel the Funny, War Jam, Cars, Junkie See, Numb, and Give Peace a Chance.
|-
! bgcolor="#ffe156" colspan="2" | Surfaced Recordings
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AUD #1
|-
! align="left" | Source
| AUD
|-
! align="left" | Format
| ANA
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
| Realistic Tie-Clip Mic>Aiwa Walkman
|-
! align="left" | Length
| 61m
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
| No
|-
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
| ANA-M>CDR
|-
! align="left" | Live Music Archive
| [http://www.archive.org/details/tsp1994-06-18.shn 16-bit download]
|-
! align="left" | Notes
| Junkie See cut when taper had to hit the bathroom.
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AMT #1a
|-
! align="left" | Source
| AUD
|-
! align="left" | Format
| VID
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
| Unknown
|-
! align="left" | Length
| 5m
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
| No
|-
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
| VHS-?>AVI
|-
! align="left" | Notes
| I Only Play 4 Money only. Shot from barricade.
|-
! bgcolor="#ffe156" colspan="2" | Unsurfaced Recordings
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AMT #1
|-
! align="left" | Source
| AUD
|-
! align="left" | Format
| VID
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
| Unknown
|-
! align="left" | Length
| ~65m
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
| Yes
|-
! align="left" | Notes
| The Frogs' opening set was also taped. Shot from barricade.
|-
|}
== Setlist ==
----
Set One:
* I Only Play 4 Money [The Frogs]
* Lord Grunge [The Frogs]
Set Two:
* A Night Like This [The Cure]
* Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town [Coots/Gillespie]
* Here Is No Why
* The Boy
* Germans in Leather Pants
* Feel the Funny
* War Jam
* Cars [Numan]
* Today (tease)
* Junkie See
* Delusions of Candor
* Numb [U2]
* Give Peace a Chance [Lennon]


"'''Now (And Then)'''" is a song from [[Billy Corgan]]'s debut solo studio album, ''[[TheFutureEmbrace]]''.
=== Notes ===
* I Only Play 4 Money and Lord Grunge performed by Billy guesting with the Frogs
* First performance of I Only Play 4 Money and Here is No Why
* Only performances of A Night Like This, Santa Clause is Comin' to Town, The Boy, Germans in Leather Pants, Feel the Funny, War Jam, Cars, Junkie See, Delusions of Candor, Numb, and Give Peace a Chance
* Jimmy Chamberlin on guitar for Cars
* Junkie See with unknown female vocalist
* Give Peace a Chance with Jimmy Frog on vocals


{{cquote|1=This one's just really sad -- some fucked up, weird tale of teenage isolation that never really happened to me. It's a sad devotional about willing to be hurt and consumed by someone. At first the song had a different feel and I was ambivalent about it. Perhaps it was a bit too Pumpkins for me right now. Then Bon said he really loved the song, and thought it was the best thing we'd worked on. He said, "Mind if I fuck it up for you?" So then I went away, came back and thought what Bon had done was really beautiful. Then the whole song clicked for me.|author=Billy Corgan|source=[[w:SheKnows Media|SheKnows Media]] interview, August 2005}}
== Banter ==
<blockquote>
Corgan: We are Starchildren.<br>
Iha: We are the Starchildren, this song is by the Cure.<br>
<b>A Night Like This<br></b>
Corgan: Hi! This is Mickey Star, that's Joey Star, that's Phil star and Nancy star, that Barry, Jesus' mother.<br>
<b>Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town<br></b>
Corgan: Hi. As usual, the newspapers are wrong again. As was rumored, Catherine is not playing tonight.<br>
Iha: Damnit!<br>
Corgan: This is the third Starchildren gig, the first one was about three years ago, the second one was about two years ago. OK...here's a toast to all of you's.<br>
<b>Here Is No Why<br></b>
Iha: Oh yeah! Everyone in the fuckin' house, come on people, let's see some hands in the air! Come on! Hey! I can't hear you, hey! Ho! Kickin' at the Double Door, here we go again, the bump and grind, R Kelly, midwest flavor, you know what I'm saying? We got motherfuckin Jimmy Chamberlin on the motherfuckin drums, that dope ass beat you're kickin. Mark Rew, Mark Rew from Catherine on the motherfuckin bass. Billy C from the Pumpkins on the motherfuckin guitar. Let me hear you, I'm your MC tonight, it's hotter than hell, yes, Stanley is in the house tonight, come on, I can't hear you, come on, yeah that's right, the Double Door, here we are doin it again.<br>
Corgan: Hey, tell the ladies how much you love them.<br>
Iha: Yes! All ladies, you is fine. It's fuckin hotter than hell. Alright, we're gonna kick it into another dope jam in another second, hang on...I said hang on.<br>
Corgan: I'm mister wiggle. Sorry about that, sorta fucked up my synthesizer. We're going new wave man, fuck this rock shit. Alright, hit it Mr. Iha.<br>
Iha: That's right, new wave.<br>
<b>The Boy<br>
Germans in Leather Pants<br></b>
Iha: Well, we hope we're not disappointing anyone with the new wave set. It's the new direction, we feel that it's the future of music, let's all get into it, come on.<br>
<b>Feel the Funny<br>
War Jam<br></b>
Iha: Thank you so much. Again, we'll be getting back to the music in a second. That was our War Jam. And now to the forefront, Jimmy Chamberlin. Jimmy Chamberlin.<br>
Corgan: We need lots of light on stage so I can read these lyrics, OK?<br>
Iha: Can we have a white spotlight for Jimmy Chamberlin, please?<br>
Corgan: Yeah, can you put the spot on from the back for Jimmy please?<br>
Iha: So Jimmy, what up?<br>
Corgan: Show 'em what you can do Jim...and you just thought he was a drummer.<br>
Iha: He's a dessert topping!<br>
Corgan: He's so fucking funky man.<br>
Iha: And on the drums, Mark Rew...come on everybody!<br>
<b>Cars<br></b>
Iha: Thank you. And now to the forefront, our friend of the night, Barry.<br>
Corgan: Hey James, wanna play a Pumpkins song? Ah, fuck that shit. Alright, it pays the bills you know?<br>
<b>Today (tease)<br></b>
Corgan: Just kidding, I'm sorry. Actually, thank you all for being so patient with us. It's awfully night to not be an angry dysfunctional youth for an evening. Tonight I will be playing the role of a well-adjusted 27 year old, thank you very much. This is Mary Magdalene, please welcome her.<br>
<b>Junkie See<br></b>
Corgan: This is the uh, Starchildren theme. It encompasses the subject of clean living, don't eat pork, read Malcolm X books, pay all your parking tickets, worship at the temple of Daley, get all your cutdowns, you know that shit.<br>
<b>Delusions of Candor<br>
Numb</b><br>
Corgan: Alright, we'd like to do one more song. No encore, shit. Here are our five-feathered friends, the Frogs...where the fuck are you?<br>
Iha: Like to bring the Frogs out again...would like to bring the Frogs out again...<br>
Corgan: Alright, we need to get the Frogs out here. Frogs! Frogs!<br>
Iha: Just like Bad News Bears, let them play, come on.<br>
Corgan: Let them play! Here they come.<br>
Iha: Here they come, all the way from Milwaukee, amazing.<br>
Jimmy Frog: Gimme a beat.<br>
Corgan: Hey, where's your fuckin brother Dennis? Dennis you pussy, get up here?<br>
Iha: You know, me and Jimmy go way back, me and Jimmy go way back, we just wanna let you know. We used to play in the same band in junior high, the Hot Testers, that's why we've gotten together tonight.<br>
Jimmy Frog: Why don't you take off your shirt? Take your shirt off tonight for Chicago.<br>
Corgan: Yeah! Go on James, show us some tits.<br>
Iha: No, I will not bare myself.<br>
Corgan: You know, it's not a problem if he has three nipples.<br>
Iha: Oh, I thought we wouldn't bring that up again...alright<br>
Jimmy Frog: Everybody else take their shirt off here or I'm not playing.<br>
Iha: Does it make you a man to take your shirt off?<br>
Corgan: I too have three nipples.<br>
Iha: Here we go people, come on.<br>
<b>Give Peace a Chance</b>
</blockquote>


== Lyrics ==
== Photos & Memorabilia ==
{{lyrics|1=
[[Image:061894-Tracklist.jpg|200px|left]]
peace colors
what's left of mine
i used to find
pennies crushed on tracks
it's a long way back to the station
 
now and then
i could be a friend
i could be a friend
now and then
now and then to you
i could be a friend of use
so hide me when you go
back amongst the reeds
 
cable coils
around my neck
whatever's best
it seems insane to me
can't escape the family tree
roots are buried deep
deep as you can climb
i'll do
i could be a friend to you
 
now and then
i could be a friend
now and then
i could be a friend
now and then to you
i could be a friend of use
no second chance at this
i'll watch you making love with them
 
build a fire
behind the school
come and visit soon
if you're blue and alone
hold my hand they're coming back for more
there's always one more score
i'm sure to blame for this
i've got to get this change through and through
 
now and then
i could be a friend
i could be a friend
 
now and then
i could be a friend
i could be a friend
 
now and then
now and then
}}
 
== External links ==
* {{SPFC|song|170}}

Revision as of 05:48, 4 March 2012

Starchildren
Date 1994-06-18
Venue Double Door
Location Chicago, IL, US
Venue Type Club
Capacity 473
Lineup Corgan, Iha, Chamberlin, Rew
Order of Bands The Frogs, Starchildren
Notes Set one is Billy guesting with The Frogs during their set. First performance of Here Is No Why. Only known performances of The Boy, Germans in Leather Pants, Delusions of Candor, A Night Like This, Santa Claus is Comin' to Town, Feel the Funny, War Jam, Cars, Junkie See, Numb, and Give Peace a Chance.
Surfaced Recordings
AUD #1
Source AUD
Format ANA
Equipment Realistic Tie-Clip Mic>Aiwa Walkman
Length 61m
Complete? No
Lowest Circulating Generation ANA-M>CDR
Live Music Archive 16-bit download
Notes Junkie See cut when taper had to hit the bathroom.
AMT #1a
Source AUD
Format VID
Equipment Unknown
Length 5m
Complete? No
Lowest Circulating Generation VHS-?>AVI
Notes I Only Play 4 Money only. Shot from barricade.
Unsurfaced Recordings
AMT #1
Source AUD
Format VID
Equipment Unknown
Length ~65m
Complete? Yes
Notes The Frogs' opening set was also taped. Shot from barricade.

Setlist

Set One:

  • I Only Play 4 Money [The Frogs]
  • Lord Grunge [The Frogs]

Set Two:

  • A Night Like This [The Cure]
  • Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town [Coots/Gillespie]
  • Here Is No Why
  • The Boy
  • Germans in Leather Pants
  • Feel the Funny
  • War Jam
  • Cars [Numan]
  • Today (tease)
  • Junkie See
  • Delusions of Candor
  • Numb [U2]
  • Give Peace a Chance [Lennon]

Notes

  • I Only Play 4 Money and Lord Grunge performed by Billy guesting with the Frogs
  • First performance of I Only Play 4 Money and Here is No Why
  • Only performances of A Night Like This, Santa Clause is Comin' to Town, The Boy, Germans in Leather Pants, Feel the Funny, War Jam, Cars, Junkie See, Delusions of Candor, Numb, and Give Peace a Chance
  • Jimmy Chamberlin on guitar for Cars
  • Junkie See with unknown female vocalist
  • Give Peace a Chance with Jimmy Frog on vocals

Banter

Corgan: We are Starchildren.
Iha: We are the Starchildren, this song is by the Cure.
A Night Like This
 Corgan: Hi! This is Mickey Star, that's Joey Star, that's Phil star and Nancy star, that Barry, Jesus' mother.
Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town
 Corgan: Hi. As usual, the newspapers are wrong again. As was rumored, Catherine is not playing tonight.
Iha: Damnit!
Corgan: This is the third Starchildren gig, the first one was about three years ago, the second one was about two years ago. OK...here's a toast to all of you's.
Here Is No Why
 Iha: Oh yeah! Everyone in the fuckin' house, come on people, let's see some hands in the air! Come on! Hey! I can't hear you, hey! Ho! Kickin' at the Double Door, here we go again, the bump and grind, R Kelly, midwest flavor, you know what I'm saying? We got motherfuckin Jimmy Chamberlin on the motherfuckin drums, that dope ass beat you're kickin. Mark Rew, Mark Rew from Catherine on the motherfuckin bass. Billy C from the Pumpkins on the motherfuckin guitar. Let me hear you, I'm your MC tonight, it's hotter than hell, yes, Stanley is in the house tonight, come on, I can't hear you, come on, yeah that's right, the Double Door, here we are doin it again.
Corgan: Hey, tell the ladies how much you love them.
Iha: Yes! All ladies, you is fine. It's fuckin hotter than hell. Alright, we're gonna kick it into another dope jam in another second, hang on...I said hang on.
Corgan: I'm mister wiggle. Sorry about that, sorta fucked up my synthesizer. We're going new wave man, fuck this rock shit. Alright, hit it Mr. Iha.
Iha: That's right, new wave.
The Boy
Germans in Leather Pants
 Iha: Well, we hope we're not disappointing anyone with the new wave set. It's the new direction, we feel that it's the future of music, let's all get into it, come on.
Feel the Funny
War Jam
 Iha: Thank you so much. Again, we'll be getting back to the music in a second. That was our War Jam. And now to the forefront, Jimmy Chamberlin. Jimmy Chamberlin.
Corgan: We need lots of light on stage so I can read these lyrics, OK?
Iha: Can we have a white spotlight for Jimmy Chamberlin, please?
Corgan: Yeah, can you put the spot on from the back for Jimmy please?
Iha: So Jimmy, what up?
Corgan: Show 'em what you can do Jim...and you just thought he was a drummer.
Iha: He's a dessert topping!
Corgan: He's so fucking funky man.
Iha: And on the drums, Mark Rew...come on everybody!
Cars
 Iha: Thank you. And now to the forefront, our friend of the night, Barry.
Corgan: Hey James, wanna play a Pumpkins song? Ah, fuck that shit. Alright, it pays the bills you know?
Today (tease)
 Corgan: Just kidding, I'm sorry. Actually, thank you all for being so patient with us. It's awfully night to not be an angry dysfunctional youth for an evening. Tonight I will be playing the role of a well-adjusted 27 year old, thank you very much. This is Mary Magdalene, please welcome her.
Junkie See
 Corgan: This is the uh, Starchildren theme. It encompasses the subject of clean living, don't eat pork, read Malcolm X books, pay all your parking tickets, worship at the temple of Daley, get all your cutdowns, you know that shit.
Delusions of Candor
Numb
Corgan: Alright, we'd like to do one more song. No encore, shit. Here are our five-feathered friends, the Frogs...where the fuck are you?
Iha: Like to bring the Frogs out again...would like to bring the Frogs out again...
Corgan: Alright, we need to get the Frogs out here. Frogs! Frogs!
Iha: Just like Bad News Bears, let them play, come on.
Corgan: Let them play! Here they come.
Iha: Here they come, all the way from Milwaukee, amazing.
Jimmy Frog: Gimme a beat.
Corgan: Hey, where's your fuckin brother Dennis? Dennis you pussy, get up here?
Iha: You know, me and Jimmy go way back, me and Jimmy go way back, we just wanna let you know. We used to play in the same band in junior high, the Hot Testers, that's why we've gotten together tonight.
Jimmy Frog: Why don't you take off your shirt? Take your shirt off tonight for Chicago.
Corgan: Yeah! Go on James, show us some tits.
Iha: No, I will not bare myself.
Corgan: You know, it's not a problem if he has three nipples.
Iha: Oh, I thought we wouldn't bring that up again...alright
Jimmy Frog: Everybody else take their shirt off here or I'm not playing.
Iha: Does it make you a man to take your shirt off?
Corgan: I too have three nipples.
Iha: Here we go people, come on.
Give Peace a Chance

Photos & Memorabilia

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