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February 19, 2008 – Brussels, BE
Live performance by The Smashing Pumpkins
Europe 2008 tour
Date	February 19, 2008
Venue	Vorst Nationaal
Coordinates	50°48′35″N 4°19′34″E
Location	Brussels, BE
Venue type	Arena
Capacity	7,000
Personnel	Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlin, Jeff Schroeder, Ginger Pooley, Lisa Harriton
Order of bands	Tim Vanhamel, The Smashing Pumpkins
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Setlist

Notes

"Perfect", "1979", and "That's the Way (My Love Is)" performed acoustic

Banter

Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
> Behold! The Night Mare
> Bring the Light
(Lisa (accidentally?) plays one synthesizer note for 5 seconds)
Lisa: Just checkin’ to see if you’re awake.
Tonight, Tonight
Mayonaise
Try, Try, Try
> Superchrist
> (Come On) Let’s Go!
Stellar
(BC over opening drums: Good evening, thank you very much! Welcome to our show, we hope you have a good time. That’s it. There’s nothing else.)
BC: Like to introduce Mr. Jimmy Chamberlin. Jimmy Chamberlin. Heh, James Joseph Chamberlin, heh.
Perfect (Billy acoustic w/Jimmy tambourine)
Lily
(BC after “goodbye” at end: And good riddance.)
BC: Thank you very much, thank you. We recently released a uh, recently released an EP of four songs called American Gothic. I can tell by your response that you all ran out and got it immediately. That’s the kind of fans we have. They usually wait about 10 years to decide they like what we put out so...you got about nine years and 10 months to go but you’ll like this song...someday. Exactly. I’m waiting. This is a song called The Rose March.
The Rose March
Today
> Tarantula
> Stand Inside Your Love
> Ava Adore
BC: Alright! That’s the end of the concert, thank you very much. Peace. Peace out. Well, we - I’ve had my problems in Brussels. Heh heh. There was that time I couldn’t sing and everyone booed at me, remember that one? That was a good one. Yeah. Who was there? You were booing, weren’t you? You were booing at me, fuck you, fuck you for booing at me. See? Then they boo again. I’m just kidding, it’s a joke, it’s a joke, hello, it’s a joke. I don’t care that you booed, I’m used to being booed, it’s not a big deal. Sorry about that. For those of you that were at that show, sorry, I’m sure I’ve apologized like seven times now but I’m apologizing again. Sorry about that. Then of course, Jimmy, there was my solo show in Ghent. Yes. My sparsely attended solo show, where I dared - dared to question a member of the audience. Yes. We all know that the audience is always right and the performer is always wrong, I learned that now. I am merely your servant to please you, to entertain you, to make you come, whatever you need, I am here for you. Heh, Sergeant Jeff. Sergeant Jeff will referee all disputes. Who was at that solo show in Ghent? Yeah. Yes. You know, it was a good speech, I thought.
Jeff: Do you remember it?
BC: I said that I would return to Belgium with the Smashing Pumpkins and I have returned with the Smashing Pumpkins. What’s the big deal? It’s not our fault that you eat 23 pounds of chocolate per person a year. It’s not a - it’s not our problem that you think you’re better than the rest of Europe. It’s not our problem that the EU is based out of Belgium, it’s not our problem. Am I right about that? What does this all mean? I don’t know! I don’t know.
Jeff: (off mic) Heh heh, [unintelligible but sounds like “caught in the rain.”]
BC: Heh haha. What does this have to do with rock and roll? - it has everything to do with rock and roll! Okay, heh heh heh. Once again, I’ll get a bad review for freaking out. “He freaked out again in Belgium, he freaked out. He just went crazy. He went insane. He threw his guitar, he punched Jeff...he humiliated Ginger.” Well, that’s a good thing. They like that.
Ginger: (off mic) I know, I do too.
BC: It’s a misogynist type of thing here. Anyway, this is an old song. Like to send this out to all our old fans. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much, god bless everybody here. Thank you.
Drown
> Bullet with Butterfly Wings
1979 (Billy solo acoustic)
That’s the Way (Billy acoustic w/Lisa)
My Blue Heaven (Billy w/Lisa)
The Everlasting Gaze
> Cash Car Star
> Easy Livin’ (2 verses and choruses)
> Foreplay (partial, instrumental)
> For What It’s Worth (verse 1, chorus, verse 4, chorus, BC original spoken verse)
(BC spoken verse: Everyone’s gonna be a big star / Everyone’s gonna know who you are / Even your mother’s gonna love you / When you grow gold / They won’t leave you out in the cold / Heh, invite you in for tea ... Everything’s just getting better and better and brighter and lighter or whiter and pure. Awww, it’s so beautiful. It’s so beautiful. It’s so beautiful! It’s so beautiful!!!!)
> Wasted Years (tease/intro only)
Daydream
> Wound
> United States / Star Spangled Banner
(BC over outro feedback: Thank you.)
[encore break]
Lips Like Sugar
(BC over outro jam: Thank you very much. We are the Smashing Pumpkins. Forever and ever. In your dreams, in your nightmares. In your Care Bears, we’re everywhere.)

Photos and memorabilia

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-{{Social media
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-|subjects=Siva
+| artist = The Smashing Pumpkins
-|type=song
+| date = February 19, 2008
-|original_date=1991-08-11
+| venue = [[w:Vorst Nationaal|Vorst Nationaal]]
-|hour_of_day=15
+| location = Brussels, BE
-|needs_review=Yes
+| venue_type = Arena
+| lat = 50.80984
+| lng = 4.326242
+| capacity = 7000
+| lineup = Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlin, Jeff Schroeder, Ginger Pooley, Lisa Harriton
+| bands = Tim Vanhamel, The Smashing Pumpkins
+| tour = Europe 2008
 }}
-{{Social media/Instagram|Sometime in August 1991, "Siva" was released! It is the first single from Gish.
-In an early interview with Billy Corgan, he admitted that he had thought of the name for the song before he had written it, had labeled dozens of tapes with its name, and even considered naming the band "Siva" instead of "Smashing Pumpkins". Corgan has said the riff was conceived on an Ovation acoustic guitar while working at a record store in Chicago. He considered it the band's first true rock song that defined their sound and captured their live energy. Lyrically, he considered "Siva" as one of the first songs that served as a personal manifesto.
+== Setlist ==
-Corgan originally titled the song "Shiva", referring to the Tantric concepts of Shiva and Shakti as opposing masculine and feminine forces. A book Corgan was reading had it spelled "Siva", hence he went with that spelling, but the band nonetheless still pronounces the song "Shiva".
+=== Soundcheck ===
+# {{live song|Lips Like Sugar|cover=[[w:Echo & the Bunnymen|Echo & the Bunnymen]]|soundcheck=1}}
-Historically, "Siva" is a jam song with varying arrangements. For Gish, producer Butch Vig helped trim it into a more pop composition. The guitar solo features the band's first use of the Big Muff pedal famously used on Siamese Dream.
+=== Set ===
+# {{live song|Porcelina of the Vast Oceans}}
+## {{live song|Behold! the Night Mare}}
+# {{live song|Bring the Light}}
+# {{live song|Tonight, Tonight}}
+# {{live song|Mayonaise}}
+# {{live song|Try, Try, Try}}
+# {{live song|Superchrist}}
+## {{live song|(Come On) Let's Go!}}
+# {{live song|Stellar}}
+# {{live song|Perfect}}
+# {{live song|Lily (My One and Only)}}
+# {{live song|The Rose March}}
+# {{live song|Today}}
+# {{live song|Tarantula}}
+# {{live song|Stand Inside Your Love}}
+# {{live song|Ava Adore}}
+# {{live song|Drown}}
+## {{live song|Bullet with Butterfly Wings}}
+# {{live song|1979}}
+# {{live song|That's the Way (My Love Is)}}
+# {{live song|My Blue Heaven|cover=[[w:Walter Donaldson|Walter Donaldson]] / [[w:George A. Whiting|George A. Whiting]]}}
+# {{live song|The Everlasting Gaze}}
+# {{live song|Cash Car Star|note=Version 1}}
+## {{live song|Easy Livin'|tease=1|cover=[[w:Uriah Heep (band)|Uriah Heep]]}}
+## {{live song|Foreplay|tease=1|cover=[[w:Boston (band)|Boston]]}}
+## {{live song|For What It's Worth|tease=1|cover=[[w:Buffalo Springfield|Buffalo Springfield]]}}
+## {{live song|Wasted Years|tease=1|cover=[[w:Iron Maiden|Iron Maiden]]}}
+# {{live song|Daydream}}
+# {{live song|Wound}}
+# {{live song|United States}}
+## {{live song|The Star-Spangled Banner|tease=1|cover=[[w:Francis Scott Key|Francis Scott Key]]}}
-The song was only released as a single in the UK and Australia, as well as appearing on the Peel Sessions EP. On January 29, 2008, it was also made available as a downloadable track for the video game Rock Band.
+=== Encore ===
+# {{live song|Lips Like Sugar|cover=[[w:Echo & the Bunnymen|Echo & the Bunnymen]]}}
-"Siva" has been performed live ~387 times in full, spanning most of the band's career. Our records date the first performance to September 13, 1990 in Cincinnati. In the early 90s, the band would typically preface the song by saying it's about killing your parents and taking drugs. The final full performance as of this post was July 13, 2019 in Portugal. While the studio recording is 4:20 in length, the longest live performance by our records occurred on January 26, 1997 in Rochester, New York, at ~12:02 duration.
+=== Notes ===
-AllMusic praised "Siva", noting the "Hendrix-inspired solos amidst the steady, forceful central riffs", and Chamberlin's "smart fusion of arena rock pound with slyer points". The song spent two weeks at #45 on New Zealand's national chart in 1993.
+* "Perfect", "1979", and "That's the Way (My Love Is)" performed acoustic
-<nowiki>https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Siva</nowiki>
+== Banter ==
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-}}
-{{Social media/Facebook|Sometime in August 1991, "Siva" was released! It is the first single from Gish.
-In an early interview with Billy Corgan, he admitted that he had thought of the name for the song before he had written it, had labeled dozens of tapes with its name, and even considered naming the band "Siva" instead of "Smashing Pumpkins". Corgan has said the riff was conceived on an Ovation acoustic guitar while working at a record store in Chicago. He considered it the band's first true rock song that defined their sound and captured their live energy. Lyrically, he considered "Siva" as one of the first songs that served as a personal manifesto.
+{{banter|1=
+'''Porcelina of the Vast Oceans'''
-Corgan originally titled the song "Shiva", referring to the Tantric concepts of Shiva and Shakti as opposing masculine and feminine forces. A book Corgan was reading had it spelled "Siva", hence he went with that spelling, but the band nonetheless still pronounces the song "Shiva".
+> '''Behold! The Night Mare'''
+> '''Bring the Light'''
-Historically, "Siva" is a jam song with varying arrangements. For Gish, producer Butch Vig helped trim it into a more pop composition. The guitar solo features the band's first use of the Big Muff pedal famously used on Siamese Dream.
+''(Lisa (accidentally?) plays one synthesizer note for 5 seconds)''
+Lisa: Just checkin’ to see if you’re awake.
-The song was only released as a single in the UK and Australia, as well as appearing on the Peel Sessions EP. On January 29, 2008, it was also made available as a downloadable track for the video game Rock Band.
+'''Tonight, Tonight'''
+'''Mayonaise'''
-"Siva" has been performed live ~387 times in full, spanning most of the band's career. Our records date the first performance to September 13, 1990 in Cincinnati. In the early 90s, the band would typically preface the song by saying it's about killing your parents and taking drugs. The final full performance as of this post was July 13, 2019 in Portugal. While the studio recording is 4:20 in length, the longest live performance by our records occurred on January 26, 1997 in Rochester, New York, at ~12:02 duration.
+'''Try, Try, Try'''
+> '''Superchrist'''
-AllMusic praised "Siva", noting the "Hendrix-inspired solos amidst the steady, forceful central riffs", and Chamberlin's "smart fusion of arena rock pound with slyer points". The song spent two weeks at #45 on New Zealand's national chart in 1993.
+> '''(Come On) Let’s Go!'''
+'''Stellar'''
-<nowiki>https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Siva</nowiki>
+(BC over opening drums: Good evening, thank you very much!  Welcome to our show, we hope you have a good time.  That’s it.  There’s nothing else.)
+BC: Like to introduce Mr. Jimmy Chamberlin.  Jimmy Chamberlin.  Heh, James Joseph Chamberlin, heh.
+'''Perfect''' (Billy acoustic w/Jimmy tambourine)
+'''Lily'''
+(BC after “goodbye” at end: And good riddance.)
+BC: Thank you very much, thank you.  We recently released a uh, recently released an EP of four songs called American Gothic.  I can tell by your response that you all ran out and got it immediately.  That’s the kind of fans we have.  They usually wait about 10 years to decide they like what we put out so...you got about nine years and 10 months to go but you’ll like this song...someday.  Exactly.  I’m waiting.  This is a song called The Rose March.
+'''The Rose March'''
+'''Today'''
+> '''Tarantula'''
+> '''Stand Inside Your Love'''
+> '''Ava Adore'''
+BC: Alright!  That’s the end of the concert, thank you very much.  Peace.  Peace out.  Well, we - I’ve had my problems in Brussels.  Heh heh.  [[The Smashing Pumpkins 2000-01-19|There was that time I couldn’t sing and everyone booed at me]], remember that one?  That was a good one.  Yeah.  Who was there?  You were booing, weren’t you?  You were booing at me, fuck you, fuck you for booing at me.  See?  Then they boo again.  I’m just kidding, it’s a joke, it’s a joke, hello, it’s a joke.  I don’t care that you booed, I’m used to being booed, it’s not a big deal.  Sorry about that.  For those of you that were at that show, sorry, I’m sure I’ve apologized like seven times now but I’m apologizing again.  Sorry about that.  Then of course, Jimmy, [[Billy Corgan 2005-06-08|there was my solo show in Ghent]].  Yes.  My sparsely attended solo show, where I dared - dared to question a member of the audience.  Yes.  We all know that the audience is always right and the performer is always wrong, I learned that now.  I am merely your servant to please you, to entertain you, to make you come, whatever you need, I am here for you.  Heh, Sergeant Jeff.  Sergeant Jeff will referee all disputes.  Who was at that solo show in Ghent?  Yeah.  Yes.  You know, it was a good speech, I thought.
+Jeff: Do you remember it?
+BC: I said that I would return to Belgium with the Smashing Pumpkins and I have returned with the Smashing Pumpkins.  What’s the big deal?  It’s not our fault that you eat 23 pounds of chocolate per person a year.  It’s not a - it’s not our problem that you think you’re better than the rest of Europe.  It’s not our problem that the EU is based out of Belgium, it’s not our problem.  Am I right about that?  What does this all mean?  I don’t know!  I don’t know.
+Jeff: ''(off mic)'' Heh heh, [unintelligible but sounds like “caught in the rain.”]
+BC: Heh haha.  What does this have to do with rock and roll? - it has ''everything'' to do with rock and roll!  Okay, heh heh heh.  Once again, I’ll get a bad review for freaking out.  “He freaked out again in Belgium, he freaked out.  He just went crazy.  He went insane.  He threw his guitar, he punched Jeff...he humiliated Ginger.”  Well, that’s a good thing.  They like that.
+Ginger: ''(off mic)'' I know, I do too.
+BC: It’s a misogynist type of thing here.  Anyway, this is an old song.  Like to send this out to all our old fans.  Yeah.  Yeah.  Thank you very much, god bless everybody here.  Thank you.
+'''Drown'''
+> '''Bullet with Butterfly Wings'''
+'''1979''' (Billy solo acoustic)
+'''That’s the Way''' (Billy acoustic w/Lisa)
+'''My Blue Heaven''' (Billy w/Lisa)
+'''The Everlasting Gaze'''
+> '''Cash Car Star'''
+> '''Easy Livin’''' (2 verses and choruses)
+> '''Foreplay''' (partial, instrumental)
+> '''For What It’s Worth''' (verse 1, chorus, verse 4, chorus, BC original spoken verse)
+(BC spoken verse: Everyone’s gonna be a big star / Everyone’s gonna know who you are / Even your mother’s gonna love you / When you grow gold / They won’t leave you out in the cold / Heh, invite you in for tea  ...  Everything’s just getting better and better and brighter and lighter or whiter and pure.  Awww, it’s so beautiful.  It’s so beautiful.  It’s so beautiful!  It’s so beautiful!!!!)
+> '''Wasted Years''' (tease/intro only)
+'''Daydream'''
+> '''Wound'''
+> '''United States / Star Spangled Banner'''
+(BC over outro feedback: Thank you.)
+[encore break]
+'''Lips Like Sugar'''
+(BC over outro jam: Thank you very much.  We are the Smashing Pumpkins.  Forever and ever.  In your dreams, in your nightmares.  In your [[w:Care Bears|Care Bears]], we’re everywhere.)
 }}
-{{Social media/Twitter|"Siva" released 31 years ago this month! It was Gish's lead single. Corgan considers it SP's first true rock song and lyrically his first personal manifesto. The guitar solo features the SP's first use of the Big Muff pedal famously used on Siamese Dream. <nowiki>https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Siva</nowiki>
-Corgan originally titled the song "Shiva" from Asian/Indian folklore, and came up with the name long before it was written. He even considered naming the band Siva instead of Smashing Pumpkins. A book spelled it "Siva" which he settled on, but the band still pronounces it "Shiva"
-Historically, "Siva" is a jam song with varying arrangements. For Gish, producer Butch Vig helped trim it into a more pop composition. In the early 90s, the band would typically preface the song by saying it's about killing your parents and taking drugs. <nowiki>https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Kill_Your_Parents</nowiki>
-"Siva" has been performed live ~385 times in full, first on September 13, 1990 in Cincinnati, and most recently on July 13, 2019 in Portugal. The longest performance by our records was January 26, 1997 at in Rochester, New York, at ~12:02. <nowiki>https://spcodex.wiki/wiki/Siva#Tour_stats</nowiki>
+== Photos and memorabilia ==
+{{live show gallery|
+File:Tsp2008-EUTourShirt1 back.jpg
+File:Tsp2008-EUTourShirt2 back.jpg
 }}